Dan Hartman
Day 4 · September 11, 2026 · 0:28:28
Key points Dan Hartman testifies about his 17-year-old son Sean, a healthy hockey team captain and elite athlete who was terrified of needles. He says Sean, who did not have COVID per autopsy, was forced to get vaccinated to keep playing hockey and took one Pfizer shot on August 25, 2021. He recounts Sean being rushed to emergency four days later with raccoon eyes, rash, vomiting, and shoulder pain, but no blood work was done. He says Sean was found dead on his bedroom floor on September 27, 2021, roughly 33 days after the shot. He testifies the autopsy ruled cause of death unascertained, but says Dr. Peter McCullough reviewed it and identified myocarditis. He says he launched a lawsuit against Health Canada and Pfizer, but courts ruled Health Canada owes no duty of care to individuals like Sean. He states he seeks only the truth and an admission that the shot killed his son, saying he believes Sean was murdered and wants to open doors for others.
Speaker 5
0:00 So with that, I'd like to call our first witness of the day, Dan Hartman. 0:07 Dan, can you take the Bible in your right hand, please? 0:13 Dan Hartman, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 0:20 I do. 0:22 Dan, I just, I want to... 0:28 identify that you're wearing a hockey jersey. 0:30 And everyone that's been attending here, because this is a formal inquiry, it's a requirement that they wear formal clothes, but we invited you to wear a hockey jersey and make an exception. 0:44 And so I just want everyone to know that there's a very good reason that you're just about to learn as to why Dan Hartman Speaker 1
1:00 It's an act of honor that you're doing this. Speaker 5
1:03 So you're here to testify about your son, Sean. 1:07 Yes. 1:10 And Sean, we know he didn't have COVID because an autopsy was done and it confirms this. 1:16 Can you tell us about your son, Sean Hartman? Speaker 3
1:20 Well, Canada, our game is hockey and there's thousands of kids around Canada, around this great country. 1:29 who loved hockey, and Sean was no different. 1:31 It was his love and passion. 1:34 And in order to keep playing hockey, which he played since he was a little kid, since he was old enough to play, in 2021, he was forced to take a shot. 1:45 Otherwise, he couldn't play. 1:46 And my son's biggest fear in life was needles. 1:50 So if he had the choice, he wouldn't have taken it. 1:53 He wanted to keep playing the game he loved. 1:55 So in August of... 1:59 He took his first shot on August 25th. 2:02 On August 29th, he was rushed to emergency. Speaker 5
2:05 Let's slow down because I want you to share with us first who Sean is. 2:09 Oh, okay. 2:09 So can you share with us, you know, he was 17. Speaker 5
2:13 Can you share with us who he was, what type of a person? 2:18 You know, just so that we come to understand who's not here to share with us today. 2:24 Okay. Speaker 3
2:24 He was a very shy, humble boy. 2:26 He didn't have a lot of friends, but he had some very close friends. 2:32 He was mostly private. 2:33 He enjoyed just watching movies and hanging around with his family and doing things fun whenever he had the chance. 2:42 He didn't care how popular he was. 2:44 It didn't bother him. 2:46 He was a very respectable boy. 2:49 Never said a swear word once in 17 years. 2:52 I never saw him get mad once. 2:55 Just such a loving angel. 2:57 He really was an angel. 2:58 Sometimes I can't believe he was mine. Speaker 5
3:05 You know, you described him as shy. 3:07 Can you give us an example? 3:08 Can you explain what did that look like for Sean? Speaker 3
3:12 Well, he wouldn't come out and talk to people like I do. 3:16 He would just kind of sit in the background, and if you talk to him, he'll talk back to you, of course, but 3:22 He was just a very up-to-himself, private kind of kid, just like normal things that every other kid liked. Speaker 5
3:29 Right. 3:31 Can you share with us some of the most precious memories you have of him? Speaker 3
3:39 He loved to sing. 3:40 I have a video of him singing Twinkle Little Star, and I didn't force him to do it. 3:45 He asked me, he said, can I sing a song? 3:47 And I said, yeah. 3:48 And... 3:50 I put karaoke on the computer for him, and he sang Twinkle Little Star, and that's a video I still can't watch to this day. 3:58 I'll break down if I start watching it. 4:00 And he loved movies. 4:03 We watched a movie together every weekend. 4:06 We made it a point to watch a movie every time. 4:09 And he loved action movies, of course, but I convinced him to watch Forrest Gump, and 4:16 He didn't really want to because kids like explosions and stuff like that. 4:20 And he watched it with me. 4:22 And at the end, he said, I'm so glad I watched that with you. 4:26 And I'll never forget that moment because he trusted me. 4:29 It wasn't his typical type of movie, but he loved it. Speaker 5
4:34 Did, you know, we're going to talk a little bit about his hockey, but, you know, it's a, 4:42 Can you share with us maybe some of his proudest moments as a hockey player? Speaker 3
4:47 Well, he was a captain on his team. 4:50 And a captain on a hockey team is very well respected and admired by his teammates and a leader. 4:57 And like I said, Sean was shy, but not on the ice. 5:01 Hockey was everything to him. 5:03 So he became captain of his team, probably voted by the other teammates or the coaches. 5:09 And it's a very important position to be in. Speaker 5
5:13 Are there a couple of games that stick out where he was very proud of the game? Speaker 3
5:21 Not exceptional games. 5:23 I mean, he was a defenseman, so his job was to protect the goalie. 5:27 And he took it very serious. 5:30 He didn't want anyone coming in on his goalie and scoring. 5:32 So he didn't get a lot of goals, but most defensemen don't. 5:36 But he took his job as protecting his goalie very seriously. Speaker 5
5:41 And how old was he when he started getting interested in hockey? 5:44 Five. 5:45 Five, okay. 5:46 Was he one of these kids that would play shinny out in the street and yell car when a car's coming? Speaker 4
5:53 Yeah, car, moving that. Speaker 5
5:55 For the international audience, they won't know what we're talking about. 5:59 But in Canada, kids go and play hockey in the winter on the street and they'll have their nets and everything. 6:04 But when a car comes, you yell car and everyone clears off the nets and moves so the car can go by. 6:10 So that's. 6:12 That's the experience. 6:15 And then he just jumped into the game as a little kid. Speaker 5
6:20 Now, you shared with us that he was a defenseman. 6:26 So was he always a defenseman? 6:28 Yes. 6:29 Okay. 6:29 So he just gravitated forward. Speaker 3
6:31 Well, he's a bigger guy, too, and you want your big guys playing defense. 6:35 They're the ones who can check and protect the goalie. Speaker 5
6:38 That's their job. 6:39 So, and just again, we literally have an international audience, and some people will not understand the role of defensemen. 6:46 So can you just go into a little more the types of things that Sean would have to do on the ice? Speaker 3
6:52 Well, your job is to get the puck off the other team and get it to your forwards. 6:56 They're the centermen and a right winger and a left winger, and the defensemen are back here. 7:01 to protect the goalie. 7:02 So it's their job to take the puck off the other team, to dump it down the ice or get it to your forwards so they can skate down the ice and score. Speaker 5
7:11 Now he, at the time, what team was he playing for? 7:14 The Beaten Stingers. 7:16 And was that the team he was captain of? 7:18 Yeah. 7:20 And you shared with us that he loved hockey, but I know it even went deeper than that. 7:25 What was his aspirations? 7:27 to, you know, when he became an adult that he wanted to be doing? Speaker 3
7:30 Well, he was hoping to make the NHL, to play professional hockey. 7:36 He knew that it's a long shot in Canada. 7:38 It's really hard to become a pro. 7:41 But he also entertained the thought of being an NHL referee just so he could be around the game if he didn't make hockey. 7:49 Because I always ask him, what do you want to do with your life, Sean? 7:52 He'd say, I don't know. 7:53 I said, you just want to be an NHL player? 7:55 He'd say, yeah, pretty much. 7:57 So he didn't really have any other plan. 8:00 So that was his goal. 8:02 But I said, you know, if you don't make it, you can be a referee. 8:05 They make a lot of money. 8:06 That's a good living. 8:08 And you still get to be around the game. 8:09 And he thought, yeah, that sounds good. 8:12 Great. Speaker 5
8:14 So, you know, he just had such a love for hockey that he wanted to be on the ice. Speaker 3
8:20 He would talk about hockey in the summertime when they're not even playing. 8:23 Hey, Dad, did you hear about it? 8:24 And I'm like, no. Speaker 5
8:27 What, what, what, uh, in the NHL, what was his favorite team? Speaker 3
8:32 The Toronto Maple Leafs. Speaker 3
8:34 Yeah. 8:36 Okay. 8:37 So that's fun. 8:38 And he also knew that they disappoint us every year, but like he wasn't brainwashed thinking they're going to win the cup, but I still love them. 8:46 I was being kind and avoiding that. Speaker 5
8:49 So, okay. 8:51 And, um, 8:53 You shared with us that he was terrified of needles and he actually had to get a non-COVID needle not long before COVID. 9:03 What was your understanding of that experience? Speaker 3
9:06 He passed out. 9:08 That's how much he feared needles. 9:10 And I would try to tell him, it's no big deal. 9:12 It's just a little prick and you're good. 9:14 But he was terrified of them. 9:16 So that plays a lot into this story that there's no way on earth he would have taken that unless he was forced. Speaker 5
9:25 And forced, meaning you can't play hockey. 9:29 That's right. 9:29 Unless you get vaccinated. 9:30 So what happened there with the league? 9:34 What was going on? Speaker 3
9:35 Oh, they forced you to have the shot, even for the parents. 9:38 If you wanted to go in and watch your children, you had to have the shots. 9:41 So he had to have two shots by a certain date to play, but he only took one. 9:49 He didn't get to his second one. Speaker 5
9:50 Yeah. 9:51 Now, and I'm asking an obvious question because he's a hockey player and a serious hockey player. 9:57 They play a lot of games and they practice. 9:59 What kind of shape was Sean in, this 17-year-old? 10:02 Perfect. Speaker 3
10:03 Very healthy. 10:04 He never drank pop in his life. 10:06 I tried to get him to take it one time and he wouldn't drink it. 10:10 He wouldn't put salt on food. 10:12 That's how healthy he was. 10:15 He never had a drop of alcohol in his life. 10:16 He never had a cigarette. 10:18 It was just sports. Speaker 5
10:20 Right. 10:21 So he was an elite athlete with no pre-existing health conditions of any kind. Speaker 5
10:28 So, okay. 10:31 And you told us the only reason he's taking this is because it's necessary. 10:37 It's required for him to continue to do what he loves. 10:40 Yeah. 10:42 And hockey was his life. Speaker 5
10:45 So August 25th, 2021. 10:50 He has his one and only shot, which was a Pfizer. 10:53 Can you share with us what happened? Speaker 3
10:58 He went to a one-day vaccination clinic, come one, come all, at the community centre and got one shot and he was rushed to emergency four days later. 11:10 He had brown circles around his eyes, rash all over his face and neck and vomiting. 11:18 and an extremely sore shoulder opposite to his injection shoulder, which I've been told by doctors could be a sign of heart problems. 11:27 The doctor in emergency did not do any blood work whatsoever. 11:31 He didn't do a D-dimer test. 11:32 He didn't do a troponin test, which would have found blood clots or damage to his heart. Speaker 5
11:38 So I'll just slow you down here. 11:39 So four days after the shot, a 17-year-old healthy hockey player 11:46 is rushed to emergency because, so he's got the raccoon eyes. 11:50 So you're meaning where it's like really almost like bruised eyes, like shiners. 11:56 He's got a rash all over his neck and face. 11:58 There's clearly something going on. 12:00 He's vomiting and his right shoulder is in extreme distress and pain, but his injection was in the left shoulder and they don't even do blood work at the ER. Speaker 3
12:15 Nope. 12:16 They only gave him a prescription for a painkiller for his sore shoulder. 12:19 That's it. 12:20 And sent him home. Speaker 5
12:22 So no testing at all? Speaker 5
12:25 So just here's a more stronger painkiller than you can get in the drugstore. 12:32 Did they tell him to go to his family doctor? 12:36 Yeah, they told him to follow up with his family doctor. Speaker 3
12:40 But blood tests should have been done at the very least. Speaker 5
12:43 I'm shocked, actually. Speaker 3
12:45 Yeah, me too. Speaker 5
12:45 Just because of his age and the fact that he would be visibly demonstrating. Speaker 3
12:52 And I reached out to Dr. Drew, a very famous doctor. 12:55 Everyone knows Dr. Drew. 12:57 I didn't think he'd answer me because he had the exact same thing happen to him. 13:01 He had the brown raccoon eyes after his shot. 13:04 So I reached out to him. 13:05 I said, Dr. Drew, what's with the circles around my son's eyes? 13:09 He said classically a sign of transverse sinus thrombosis, which is blood clotting. Speaker 5
13:17 Okay, so here's one. 13:18 So Dr. Drew is a medical doctor, isn't he? Speaker 5
13:21 So you just reach out to him, and he's able to, you know, just give you a diagnosis. 13:27 Now, you don't know, but Dr. Peter McCullough is sitting behind you, and I saw him nodding in agreement. 13:32 So this is something medical doctors know about. Speaker 5
13:35 So a 17-year-old showing up with that, 13:38 The medical ER doctor should know, wait a second, this could be very serious. 13:42 This could be blood clotting. 13:44 And nothing is done. Speaker 3
13:46 Dr. McCullough also looked at Sean's autopsy because in Toronto, the cause of death was unascertained. 13:52 They didn't know why he died. 13:54 But Dr. McCullough looked at it and figured out that, yeah, Sean had myocarditis. 14:00 But in Toronto, they claimed he didn't. 14:03 Okay. 14:04 His heart was slightly swollen. 14:06 And they tried to pass it off to me as, oh, don't worry, that's normal. 14:10 That's what athletes have. Speaker 5
14:13 Right. 14:14 Let's continue with the story and then get to that part. 14:19 So he's released from ER. 14:22 Well, not even released. 14:22 They didn't admit him. 14:23 He's sent home with a prescription of painkillers. 14:26 What happens after that? Speaker 3
14:28 He was feeling very tired. 14:30 I was talking to Sean's stepdad, and he was taking naps during the day. 14:34 And that's not Sean. 14:35 He doesn't do that. 14:37 and just so exhausted. 14:39 And then on the morning of September 27th, he wasn't coming upstairs to go to school. 14:47 And they got really worried, Mac's wife and Sean's stepdad. Speaker 1
14:52 And they went downstairs and found him dead on the floor beside his bed. 15:12 And I had to wait three long months for autopsy results. Speaker 5
15:17 It's a very painful wait. 15:18 I just want to slow you down. 15:21 So September 27th, that's like 33 days after his shot. 15:28 Yeah. 15:31 He basically dies in the night. 15:34 A 17-year-old healthy hockey player dies in the night. 15:40 But he didn't die in his bed, did he? Speaker 3
15:42 No, he was found on the floor. 15:45 So I can only assume, my best guess is he stood up because he knew something was wrong. 15:51 And for a split second or two, he knew something was very wrong, and he collapsed on the floor and died. Speaker 5
16:00 Right. 16:01 So what likely happened is, as he wakes up having a heart attack, he realizes he's in trouble, and he tries to go get help, but he doesn't make it. Speaker 1
16:13 No, they found him on the floor right beside his bed. Speaker 5
16:25 And I know we can only imagine the panic that Sean would have been in. Speaker 3
16:32 He's probably scared, scared like he's never been scared in his life. Speaker 5
16:37 So an autopsy is done. 16:39 What happens? 16:41 They did say and what happened after that? Speaker 3
16:43 They said cause of death unascertained. 16:45 They couldn't tell me why he died. 16:47 They didn't know why he died. 16:49 There was no full DNA testing was done. 16:52 Toxicology was done. 16:55 They found nothing. 16:57 And cause of death unascertained is extremely rare in this world. 17:01 It's only 2% of autopsies. Speaker 5
17:04 Right. 17:04 But I just actually have to stop you because in the province I live, Alberta, 17:09 I think it's only about six, seven years ago that they added, you know, cause unknown as a, as a, before we didn't have that. 17:17 And for several years into the COVID period, it was the leading cause of death for several years in the province I live in was, you know, cause unknown. 17:26 So, so they decided to do a change for COVID and have this basically excuse not to tell us why people were dying because it's a new thing. Speaker 5
17:36 So, okay. 17:38 So, 17:38 cause unknown. 17:41 David, can we pull up, you'd send us some photos and I've had two of them that I picked. 17:48 So tell us about this photo. 17:50 This is your son, Sean Hartman. Speaker 3
17:52 That's my boy. 17:54 That's when he switched teams to go play rep hockey, which is a higher level than house league. 18:00 And he went to play for Alliston for two years and he enjoyed it, but he really, really missed his friends. 18:07 And 18:08 So he went back to Beaton to play the rest of his career. Speaker 5
18:13 So that's. 18:14 Right. 18:14 So this is like the team, they take photos of all the players and. 18:19 Okay. 18:20 So what year would have this, would he been what, 15, 14, 15? 18:24 Yeah. Speaker 5
18:25 Okay. 18:26 And so he's actually, he's so good that he gets to go play in another league. Speaker 3
18:30 Higher division, higher hockey. Speaker 5
18:32 Right. 18:33 But. 18:34 He's doing that for a couple of years. 18:35 He's missing his friends back home. 18:36 So he decides to kind of take a tear down so that he can play with his friends. 18:42 Okay. 18:43 Can we see the next photo? 18:45 Tell us about this photo. Speaker 3
18:47 We just got a Chihuahua and Sean was a big animal lover. 18:52 And my fiance was talking to him in this picture and it was taken without his knowledge. 18:58 And it turned out to be a really great picture. 19:02 And he loved animals so much. 19:04 So he was hugging our little girl and just so happy to be with another dog. 19:09 He had dogs of his own at home. 19:11 But when he came to visit me on my weekends, now he had another dog to play with. Speaker 5
19:17 And then you feel some responsibility towards Sean over what happened. 19:24 And you've been doing some things about that. 19:27 Can you share with us? 19:28 why you feel a responsibility even to be here and sharing Sean's story. Speaker 3
19:34 Because Sean can't speak for himself. 19:37 And I love that boy more than anything in this life. 19:41 He was everything to me. 19:44 And I will go down, I will die for Sean. 19:47 I will do whatever it takes to get the truth out about him so people don't have to suffer the same pain I am. 19:54 I don't want any parent to go through this because it's unhealable. 19:58 My son, he didn't have a disease. 20:01 It wasn't a car accident. 20:03 It wasn't suicide. 20:05 My son was murdered. 20:07 And I believe that in my heart 100%. 20:09 So I will do everything in my power to let people know about Sean and to fight for him because he's not here to fight for himself. 20:19 And that's what a dad should do. Speaker 5
20:22 And one of the things that you've done is you've started a lawsuit. 20:29 including against Health Canada and Pfizer, to try and get some civil responsibility for what happened. 20:39 And I'll lead you a little bit through this because I want you to be questioned by others. 20:44 But it's basically the lower court concerning Health Canada has said, you can't go after Health Canada. 20:52 You can't sue Health Canada because, and listen carefully, everyone, 20:56 Health Canada does not owe individuals a duty of care when they're approving vaccines. 21:03 Their duty of care is to the general public. 21:06 And then you basically appeal that decision to the Interior Court of Appeal. 21:12 The decision is Hartman v. Canada, Attorney General. 21:15 It's found at 2026 ONCA 270. 21:21 And I've read that decision, and I know you've read the decision, but just because I'm 21:25 We're running short. 21:26 I'm going to speed us through this. 21:28 So basically, the Ontario Court of Appeal agrees that Health Canada does not owe individuals like Sean Hartman any duty of care, and therefore you can't even name them as a party in a lawsuit. 21:44 So the interesting thing I find about that, Mr. Hartman, is that it's human nature that if there's a consequence to you being negligent, 21:54 If there's a consequence to hurting other people, like a personal consequence, then we kind of watch what we're doing, right? 22:01 If there was no fines for speeding, maybe some of us might speed more, just to use an example. 22:07 So here we have a regulatory body that people believe is there to protect them. 22:13 Well, if they act negligently, 22:16 if they act with bias or do something that's awful, there's no recourse so that there's no incentive for them to act with any responsibility. 22:26 So the law applies to you and I. 22:28 We can't hurt anyone. 22:30 We hurt a single person. 22:32 We find out really quickly we can't do that. 22:36 But it doesn't seem to apply otherwise. Speaker 4
22:44 Thank you. 22:46 And thank you very much for your testimony, and I'm sorry for your loss. 22:51 Thank you. 22:54 I asked a witness this yesterday, and I asked you the same question. 22:59 You talk about the injustice that was done, and you feel responsible to carry on the fight because Sean can't. 23:09 What would justice look like for you and your family, for Sean? Speaker 3
23:14 The one and only thing I've ever asked for in the beginning is truth. 23:19 I've only asked for the truth. 23:21 I've been fighting for Sean much longer than I've had the lawsuits or a lawyer. 23:25 I only wanted them to admit that Sean was one of the people who died from his shot. 23:32 And they won't do it. 23:33 They won't admit it. 23:34 They've admitted to other deaths, but not Sean. 23:37 I guess it's because I'm vocal about it. 23:39 but they just won't admit it. 23:41 So no amount of money is going to make me feel better if I win this lawsuit. 23:46 It's five years later and I'm still crying every day. 23:50 There's no healing from this. 23:52 So I don't care about the money. 23:54 I don't care if they give me one penny. 23:56 As long as I get to hear the judge say guilty, that's justice for me and my family. 24:01 That they are guilty of giving Sean something that kills him. Speaker 4
24:06 So when you say they, 24:09 there's a broad they and a specific. 24:13 So in your perspective, who are they? Speaker 3
24:17 Health Canada, Pfizer, who made the product, mainstream media, who kept saying safe and effective every day and telling you to take it to protect your grandma and everyone involved in Sean's death. 24:29 But there's so many to blame. 24:32 My blame list is huge. 24:34 But I want the judge to just say guilty. 24:36 Yes, the shot killed Sean Hartman. 24:40 When they don't admit it, it makes them look even more guilty, in my opinion. 24:43 Like, just come out and say it. 24:46 We're sorry, Mr. Harmon, but the shot killed your son. 24:49 That's simple. 24:50 I even put a post on social media offering to drop my lawsuits. 24:54 Offering. 24:55 If they will just admit it to me. 24:57 Nothing. 24:58 They won't say it. 24:59 They won't say the words. 25:01 I guess because if they admit to Sean, it's going to open doors for other people. Speaker 3
25:06 And that's what I want to do. 25:07 I want to open doors for other people. Speaker 4
25:09 Good for you. 25:15 Obviously, there's distrust now with the medical profession in some regards. 25:21 Have you ever had occasion to go back to that ER doctor that apparently just dropped the balls? Speaker 3
25:32 I know where he works. 25:33 I know his name. 25:34 I'm not allowed to name him or believe it or not, I could be sued, which makes no sense. 25:40 I have a lot of anger towards him, but a little bit of forgiveness because it was the beginning of the pandemic. 25:46 And maybe he didn't know he should have done blood tests. 25:49 But on the other hand, he should have known he's a doctor. 25:53 And I don't think it's good that I ever see that man face to face. 25:58 So I'd rather just 25:59 try to forgive them in my heart and move on. Speaker 4
26:04 So there's been conversation about, Mr. Allison spoke about it this morning, that the voices, you know, from this inquiry, from the National Citizens Inquiry and the voices of those who have been injured and those who've got concerns, you know, 26:28 We can't let that just disappear after something like this. 26:37 How do you see an effective go forward on dealing with this, whether it be correcting what's happened in the past and coming to terms with that? 26:50 How do we do that properly? 26:52 And then how do we prepare for the future? 26:55 Because we're going to have, I'm sure, 26:57 Unfortunately, we're going to have something similar down the road. 27:01 From your perspective, Mr. Harpin, how do you see us navigating that currently for what's happened and prepare for what could happen? Speaker 3
27:09 Truth and honesty. 27:10 Just tell everyone the truth about the product. 27:13 Tell them there's a chance you could die if you take it. 27:16 I mean, people can die from anything, but they didn't tell Sean he could die from this. 27:21 Have some truth for the love of God. 27:23 I mean, the inserts in the packages for the for the vaccines were blank. 27:30 It said intentionally blank. 27:33 How are you supposed to have informed consent? 27:34 I was a senior sitting at a Walmart supposed to have informed consent. 27:38 And they said, oh, well, there's a QR code on the blank page and you can scan it and get all the information. 27:45 Lots of seniors don't have a cell phone. 27:46 My mom doesn't. 27:47 She's 89. 27:48 She doesn't have a cell phone. 27:50 Little kids could get this shot, 12 and older, without parental consent. 27:56 I didn't even know Sean took it. 27:57 That in itself should be a crime. 27:59 A 12-year-old can't make a decision on their body. Speaker 2
28:02 Thank you, Mr. Motz. 28:05 Sorry. 28:05 All the time. 28:06 No, listen, Mr. Aaron, we really appreciate you being here. 28:08 And I personally love how you advocate on behalf of your son and continue to. 28:12 Thanks, Dean. 28:14 As I said, we want to continue to help you advocate. 28:17 So thank you so much for being here today. Speaker 3
28:20 Thanks for having me. 28:21 It means a lot that you're doing this. 28:22 Thank you, sir. 28:23 I hope you know, Dean.